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		<title>Issa at 19:10, 27 February 2021</title>
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&#039;diff-marker&#039;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&#039;diff-marker&#039;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&#039;diff-marker&#039;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;What is the relationship between prosaic AI and [[secret sauce for intelligence]]? One interpretation is that the prosaic AI hypothesis is saying that &amp;#039;&amp;#039;humans&amp;#039;&amp;#039; won&amp;#039;t make any conceptual breakthrough prior to building AGI (which still allows for an AI to rapidly improve its capabilities in a discontinuous way by discovering a conceptual breakthrough on its own), while the &amp;quot;no secret sauce&amp;quot; hypothesis is saying that there won&amp;#039;t be a conceptual breakthrough at all.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&#039;diff-marker&#039;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;What is the relationship between prosaic AI and [[secret sauce for intelligence]]? One interpretation is that the prosaic AI hypothesis is saying that &amp;#039;&amp;#039;humans&amp;#039;&amp;#039; won&amp;#039;t make any conceptual breakthrough prior to building AGI (which still allows for an AI to rapidly improve its capabilities in a discontinuous way by discovering a conceptual breakthrough on its own), while the &amp;quot;no secret sauce&amp;quot; hypothesis is saying that there won&amp;#039;t be a conceptual breakthrough at all.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Issa at 06:25, 3 June 2020</title>
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&#039;diff-marker&#039;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* optimizing hard enough produced a [[mesa-optimizer]] inside the neural network (or whatever) the story here is something like: either (1) there turns out to be nothing &amp;quot;deep&amp;quot; about intelligence at all, and just increasing the model size/compute of existing ML systems (or straightforward tweaks to them) somehow produces an AI that fully &amp;quot;understands&amp;quot; things and can do everything humans can; (2) there is some [[simple core algorithm]] and this can be found by using lots of compute (or whatever). &amp;#160;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&#039;diff-marker&#039;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* optimizing hard enough produced a [[mesa-optimizer]] inside the neural network (or whatever) the story here is something like: either (1) there turns out to be nothing &amp;quot;deep&amp;quot; about intelligence at all, and just increasing the model size/compute of existing ML systems (or straightforward tweaks to them) somehow produces an AI that fully &amp;quot;understands&amp;quot; things and can do everything humans can; (2) there is some [[simple core algorithm]] and this can be found by using lots of compute (or whatever). &amp;#160;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&#039;diff-marker&#039;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* all of the things we humans do with our general intelligence turns out to be possible to do without actually &amp;quot;understanding&amp;quot; anything. i.e. in the same way that [[AlphaGo]] can play Go &amp;quot;without understanding&amp;quot; what it is doing, and how [[GPT-2]] can write an essay &amp;quot;without understanding&amp;quot; its meaning, it turns out that all of the things humans do (including AI research) is possible without such understanding.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&#039;diff-marker&#039;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* all of the things we humans do with our general intelligence turns out to be possible to do without actually &amp;quot;understanding&amp;quot; anything. i.e. in the same way that [[AlphaGo]] can play Go &amp;quot;without understanding&amp;quot; what it is doing, and how [[GPT-2]] can write an essay &amp;quot;without understanding&amp;quot; its meaning, it turns out that all of the things humans do (including AI research) is possible without such understanding.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&#039;diff-marker&#039;&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&#039;diff-marker&#039;&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;What is the relationship between prosaic AI and [[secret sauce for intelligence]]? One interpretation is that the prosaic AI hypothesis is saying that &amp;#039;&amp;#039;humans&amp;#039;&amp;#039; won&amp;#039;t make any conceptual breakthrough prior to building AGI (which still allows for an AI to rapidly improve its capabilities in a discontinuous way by discovering a conceptual breakthrough on its own), while the &amp;quot;no secret sauce&amp;quot; hypothesis is saying that there won&amp;#039;t be a conceptual breakthrough at all.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Issa at 09:38, 23 February 2020</title>
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&#039;diff-marker&#039;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;what are the possibilities for prosaic AI? i.e. if prosaic AI happened, then what are some possible reasons for why this happened? some ideas:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&#039;diff-marker&#039;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;what are the possibilities for prosaic AI? i.e. if prosaic AI happened, then what are some possible reasons for why this happened? some ideas:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&#039;diff-marker&#039;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&#039;diff-marker&#039;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&#039;diff-marker&#039;&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* optimizing hard enough produced a [[mesa-optimizer]] inside the neural network (or whatever)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&#039;diff-marker&#039;&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* optimizing hard enough produced a [[mesa-optimizer]] inside the neural network (or whatever) &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;the story here is something like: either (1) there turns out to be nothing &amp;quot;deep&amp;quot; about intelligence at all, and just increasing the model size/compute of existing ML systems (or straightforward tweaks to them) somehow produces an AI that fully &amp;quot;understands&amp;quot; things and can do everything humans can; (2) there is some [[simple core algorithm]] and this can be found by using lots of compute (or whatever). &lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&#039;diff-marker&#039;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* all of the things we humans do with our general intelligence turns out to be possible to do without actually &amp;quot;understanding&amp;quot; anything. i.e. in the same way that [[AlphaGo]] can play Go &amp;quot;without understanding&amp;quot; what it is doing, and how [[GPT-2]] can write an essay &amp;quot;without understanding&amp;quot; its meaning, it turns out that all of the things humans do (including AI research) is possible without such understanding.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&#039;diff-marker&#039;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* all of the things we humans do with our general intelligence turns out to be possible to do without actually &amp;quot;understanding&amp;quot; anything. i.e. in the same way that [[AlphaGo]] can play Go &amp;quot;without understanding&amp;quot; what it is doing, and how [[GPT-2]] can write an essay &amp;quot;without understanding&amp;quot; its meaning, it turns out that all of the things humans do (including AI research) is possible without such understanding.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Issa: Created page with &quot;what are the possibilities for prosaic AI? i.e. if prosaic AI happened, then what are some possible reasons for why this happened? some ideas:  * optimizing hard enough produc...&quot;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;what are the possibilities for prosaic AI? i.e. if prosaic AI happened, then what are some possible reasons for why this happened? some ideas:  * optimizing hard enough produc...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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* optimizing hard enough produced a [[mesa-optimizer]] inside the neural network (or whatever)&lt;br /&gt;
* all of the things we humans do with our general intelligence turns out to be possible to do without actually &amp;quot;understanding&amp;quot; anything. i.e. in the same way that [[AlphaGo]] can play Go &amp;quot;without understanding&amp;quot; what it is doing, and how [[GPT-2]] can write an essay &amp;quot;without understanding&amp;quot; its meaning, it turns out that all of the things humans do (including AI research) is possible without such understanding.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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