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 * [[Secret sauce for intelligence]] -- talking about "lumpiness" is not quite the same thing as saying there's a secret sauce for intelligence, but it's pretty similar. Lumpiness seems more general (it's talking about the distribution of insights/progress).
 * [[Simple core of consequentialist reasoning]] -- lumpiness is also similar to this, but consequentialist reasoning is a subset of all AI capabilities.
 ==References==

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	The general idea is something like, if something is "lumpy" then there are a few things that really matter, rather than a bunch of small things that add up.		The general idea is something like, if something is "lumpy" then there are a few things that really matter, rather than a bunch of small things that add up.
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		+	"Such innovations can be lumpy in the sense that gain relative to effort varies over a wide range, and a single innovation can sometimes make a big difference to product value."<ref>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2016/03/how-different-agi-software.html</ref>

	"Lumpy: Nope, the CEO isn’t talking about poorly cooked oatmeal whenever he or she says revenues or orders were lumpy. This term means that sales were uneven during the quarter, with some weeks having low order rates and others having high order rates. The key is finding out why sales were lumpy and whether lumpy sales are normal for the company."<ref>https://www.dummies.com/personal-finance/investing/stocks-trading/trading-analysts-language-and-what-it-means/</ref>		"Lumpy: Nope, the CEO isn’t talking about poorly cooked oatmeal whenever he or she says revenues or orders were lumpy. This term means that sales were uneven during the quarter, with some weeks having low order rates and others having high order rates. The key is finding out why sales were lumpy and whether lumpy sales are normal for the company."<ref>https://www.dummies.com/personal-finance/investing/stocks-trading/trading-analysts-language-and-what-it-means/</ref>

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 "The main reason that I understand to expect relatively local AI progress is if AI progress is unusually lumpy, i.e., arriving in unusually fewer larger packages rather than in the usual many smaller packages. If one AI team finds a big lump, it might jump way ahead of the other teams."<ref>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2018/03/how-deviant-recent-ai-progress-lumpiness.html</ref> -- I don't understand why hanson is saying that citations are not lumpy. Aren't power laws lumpy? actually maybe he's only saying that if AI progress is lumpy, then its citation patterns should be even lumpier than usual? But why should that be the case? wouldn't the foom argument hold even with typical lumpiness?
-more on citation lumpiness: https://youtu.be/pClSjljMKeA?t=4270
+more on citation lumpiness: https://youtu.be/pClSjljMKeA?t=4270 -- here he says most of the progress is driven by lots of little things.
 It's not clear to me how uneven a distribution must get before it gets calls "lumpy". For example, is a normal distribution lumpy, or must it be thick-tailed? is any non-uniform distribution lumpy? etc.

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	"The main reason that I understand to expect relatively local AI progress is if AI progress is unusually lumpy, i.e., arriving in unusually fewer larger packages rather than in the usual many smaller packages. If one AI team finds a big lump, it might jump way ahead of the other teams."<ref>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2018/03/how-deviant-recent-ai-progress-lumpiness.html</ref> -- I don't understand why hanson is saying that citations are not lumpy. Aren't power laws lumpy? actually maybe he's only saying that if AI progress is lumpy, then its citation patterns should be even lumpier than usual? But why should that be the case? wouldn't the foom argument hold even with typical lumpiness?		"The main reason that I understand to expect relatively local AI progress is if AI progress is unusually lumpy, i.e., arriving in unusually fewer larger packages rather than in the usual many smaller packages. If one AI team finds a big lump, it might jump way ahead of the other teams."<ref>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2018/03/how-deviant-recent-ai-progress-lumpiness.html</ref> -- I don't understand why hanson is saying that citations are not lumpy. Aren't power laws lumpy? actually maybe he's only saying that if AI progress is lumpy, then its citation patterns should be even lumpier than usual? But why should that be the case? wouldn't the foom argument hold even with typical lumpiness?
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		+	more on citation lumpiness: https://youtu.be/pClSjljMKeA?t=4270

	It's not clear to me how uneven a distribution must get before it gets calls "lumpy". For example, is a normal distribution lumpy, or must it be thick-tailed? is any non-uniform distribution lumpy? etc.		It's not clear to me how uneven a distribution must get before it gets calls "lumpy". For example, is a normal distribution lumpy, or must it be thick-tailed? is any non-uniform distribution lumpy? etc.

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 "Operating revenues and expenses can be smooth or lumpy. A smooth revenue or expense is evenly and reliably spaced out over time. Smooth revenues include interest earned on investments and perhaps fee income, while smooth expenses include wages, rent, insurance, utilities, and so on. In contrast a lumpy revenue or expense is not evenly spaced out over time. Lumpy revenues include government grants and large donations while lumpy expenses include property taxes. If one were to classify all non-profit revenues and expenses as smooth or lumpy one would quickly find that most revenues are lumpy while most expenses are smooth."<ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=Bi1QKmL4k1MC&pg=PA248&lpg=PA248#v=onepage&q&f=false</ref>
-"The main reason that I understand to expect relatively local AI progress is if AI progress is unusually lumpy, i.e., arriving in unusually fewer larger packages rather than in the usual many smaller packages. If one AI team finds a big lump, it might jump way ahead of the other teams."<ref>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2018/03/how-deviant-recent-ai-progress-lumpiness.html</ref> -- I don't understand why hanson is saying that citations are not lumpy. Aren't power laws lumpy? actually maybe he's only saying that if AI progress is lumpy, then its citation patterns should be even lumpier than usual?
+"The main reason that I understand to expect relatively local AI progress is if AI progress is unusually lumpy, i.e., arriving in unusually fewer larger packages rather than in the usual many smaller packages. If one AI team finds a big lump, it might jump way ahead of the other teams."<ref>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2018/03/how-deviant-recent-ai-progress-lumpiness.html</ref> -- I don't understand why hanson is saying that citations are not lumpy. Aren't power laws lumpy? actually maybe he's only saying that if AI progress is lumpy, then its citation patterns should be even lumpier than usual? But why should that be the case? wouldn't the foom argument hold even with typical lumpiness?
 It's not clear to me how uneven a distribution must get before it gets calls "lumpy". For example, is a normal distribution lumpy, or must it be thick-tailed? is any non-uniform distribution lumpy? etc.

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	* [[Secret sauce for intelligence]] -- talking about "lumpiness" is not quite the same thing as saying there's a secret sauce for intelligence, but it's pretty similar. Lumpiness seems more general (it's talking about the distribution of insights/progress).		* [[Secret sauce for intelligence]] -- talking about "lumpiness" is not quite the same thing as saying there's a secret sauce for intelligence, but it's pretty similar. Lumpiness seems more general (it's talking about the distribution of insights/progress).
		+	* [[Simple core of consequentialist reasoning]] -- lumpiness is also similar to this, but consequentialist reasoning is a subset of all AI capabilities.

	==References==		==References==

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	==In Robin Hanson's writings==		==In Robin Hanson's writings==
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		+	* [[Secret sauce for intelligence]] -- talking about "lumpiness" is not quite the same thing as saying there's a secret sauce for intelligence, but it's pretty similar. Lumpiness seems more general (it's talking about the distribution of insights/progress).

	==References==		==References==

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 The general idea is something like, if something is "lumpy" then there are a few things that really matter, rather than a bunch of small things that add up.
-"Lumpy: Nope, the CEO isn’t talking about poorly cooked oatmeal whenever he or she says revenues or orders were lumpy. This term means that sales were uneven during the quarter, with some weeks having low order rates and others having high order rates. The key is finding out why sales were lumpy and whether lumpy sales are normal for the company." [https://www.dummies.com/personal-finance/investing/stocks-trading/trading-analysts-language-and-what-it-means/]
+"Lumpy: Nope, the CEO isn’t talking about poorly cooked oatmeal whenever he or she says revenues or orders were lumpy. This term means that sales were uneven during the quarter, with some weeks having low order rates and others having high order rates. The key is finding out why sales were lumpy and whether lumpy sales are normal for the company."<ref>https://www.dummies.com/personal-finance/investing/stocks-trading/trading-analysts-language-and-what-it-means/</ref>
-"Operating revenues and expenses can be smooth or lumpy. A smooth revenue or expense is evenly and reliably spaced out over time. Smooth revenues include interest earned on investments and perhaps fee income, while smooth expenses include wages, rent, insurance, utilities, and so on. In contrast a lumpy revenue or expense is not evenly spaced out over time. Lumpy revenues include government grants and large donations while lumpy expenses include property taxes. If one were to classify all non-profit revenues and expenses as smooth or lumpy one would quickly find that most revenues are lumpy while most expenses are smooth." [https://books.google.com/books?id=Bi1QKmL4k1MC&pg=PA248&lpg=PA248#v=onepage&q&f=false]
+"Operating revenues and expenses can be smooth or lumpy. A smooth revenue or expense is evenly and reliably spaced out over time. Smooth revenues include interest earned on investments and perhaps fee income, while smooth expenses include wages, rent, insurance, utilities, and so on. In contrast a lumpy revenue or expense is not evenly spaced out over time. Lumpy revenues include government grants and large donations while lumpy expenses include property taxes. If one were to classify all non-profit revenues and expenses as smooth or lumpy one would quickly find that most revenues are lumpy while most expenses are smooth."<ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=Bi1QKmL4k1MC&pg=PA248&lpg=PA248#v=onepage&q&f=false</ref>
-"The main reason that I understand to expect relatively local AI progress is if AI progress is unusually lumpy, i.e., arriving in unusually fewer larger packages rather than in the usual many smaller packages. If one AI team finds a big lump, it might jump way ahead of the other teams." [http://www.overcomingbias.com/2018/03/how-deviant-recent-ai-progress-lumpiness.html]
+"The main reason that I understand to expect relatively local AI progress is if AI progress is unusually lumpy, i.e., arriving in unusually fewer larger packages rather than in the usual many smaller packages. If one AI team finds a big lump, it might jump way ahead of the other teams."<ref>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2018/03/how-deviant-recent-ai-progress-lumpiness.html</ref>
 It's not clear to me how uneven a distribution must get before it gets calls "lumpy". For example, is a normal distribution lumpy, or must it be thick-tailed? is any non-uniform distribution lumpy? etc.
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 ==In Robin Hanson's writings==
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